If there was any doubt that conservatives — especially social conservatives who used to champion “respectable social behavior” — have completely lost any and all moral authority, you just have to look at the current situation with Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. Social conservatives have been pretending to hold the moral high ground, opposing supposed sins including gay marriage, abortion, even (and especially) premarital sex. Even birth control, as if sex without procreation is a sin.
Yes, the same people who condemn birth control and premarital sex are now at best silent and at worst condoning sexual assault, claiming that if you even investigate (never mind punish) Kavanaugh for what he is accused (by multiple women) of doing, then you would disqualify all men from being on the Supreme Court.
Really? Sexual assault is just normal teenage behavior? It isn’t even worth investigating? Wow.
I guess I missed that memo when I was a teenager. I don’t remember even being tempted to do any of these things that social conservatives are calling “normal” and “acceptable” for young men.
If that were actually true, then perhaps it would be a good idea to disqualify all men from the Supreme Court.
Truly, Republicans have now completely become the party of dirty old (white) men.
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Hypocrisy is not a bug, or even a feature. Hypocrisy is the operating system. It is how an unjust system gets things done; and is therefore, to that system, an end in itself.
http://www.oann.com/clinton-accuser-calls-dems-treatment-of-kavanaugh-biggest-double-standard/
Remember how Dems treated Clinton accusers vs how they act now if you want the definition of hypocrisy.
Their moral compass has been degaussed.
PSgt, you have to be kidding. Have you heard a single Dem claim that Kavanaugh is guilty, as that article claims? What I am consistently hearing is that there is enough evidence to warrant an impartial investigation. Even the American Bar Association says an investigation is warranted, as do religious organizations, but the Republicans are not waiting (and some of them declared Kavanaugh innocent even before the hearings yesterday).
Just what is the rush? Republicans have until January to confirm a Supreme Court justice.
The Senate must now take a strong clear stand against rape… or for it.
IK, paradoctor kinda just made my point.
The FBI will investigate and report back to the committee.
The whole process has been orchestrated for maximum political effect. Sitting on the allegation for 6 weeks. Dr. Ford was either a pawn for political purposes or a willing participant. Frankly, if she was a pawn, then IMO more people would give more weight to her words. If that was the case then politicians are to blame. If she was a willing participant then that would subtract weight from her words.
The pols and media are 100% hypocritical and they don’t fool anyone. I get it, he is against roe v wade. But as we saw with John Roberts vote on Obamacare, no one knows how he would vote and it would likely come down to the facts of the particular case.
The extremes of both parties are disgraceful. There is extremist hate views being thrown at Dr Ford and The Kavanaugh family. I think every death threat should be prosecuted and the offenders banned from the internet for life. BOTH SIDES.
What is ironic is it’s still likely the Russians, Chinese and Iranians have a part in instigating all this Kaos and stupid Americans are STILL falling for it. But like the old saying, stupid is, as stupid does.
And we can’t fix stupid.
IK, To answer your questions on Dems saying he is guilty:
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/09/23/dem-sen-mazie-hirono-kavanaughs-probably-guilty-attempted-rape-hes-judicial-conservative/
And here is major “news” network host
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/20/symone-sanders-is-ready-to-say-kavanaugh-is-guilty-before-hearings/
PSgt, I went to your two links, read them, and watched the video, and in neither case did the video show Mazie Hirono or Symone Sanders saying what the articles claimed they said.
Like I said, Hirono was just saying that this matter should be investigated. Nothing more.
Sanders was more incendiary, but all she said was that she believed Ford. Is it wrong for her to say she believes Ford? Did she say that Kavanaugh is guilty and should be thrown in jail (you know, like someone I can think of who repeatedly said “lock her up” at rallies?). No, Sanders did not.
And I also want to add that this is not about guilt or innocence. This is a job interview for the Supreme Court. If you were interviewing someone for an important job, and you had multiple people claiming that the applicant had committed a serious crime, wouldn’t you want to investigate further? (Although, my guess is that more likely you would pick another candidate.)
So, I stand on my original question. I have still (despite these two rather feeble attempts) only heard Democrats ask for an investigation by the FBI. You know, like the one that was done on a previous Supreme Court nominee who was accused of the far less serious crime of harassment (not attempted rape).
One more thing. If you watch the video of John Oliver I posted today, he actually has video of a Republican saying that even if Kavanaugh is guilty of sexual assault and attempted rape, he should still be confirmed to the Supreme Court (at time 23:40). And that is in addition to the Republican politicians who have used the “boys will be boys” excuse.
Kavanaugh is a proven liar.
He lied about the Devils Triangle, Boufing, the Beach Week Ralph Club and Renata Alumnius.
He lied about the witnesses supporting his claims. They did not.
He lied about not watching Ford’s testimony, he was seen watching it with others.
The Washington Post gave him three Pinocchios for lying about no knowing about the stolen emails from the Democratic member of the judicial committee.
He lied that he did not work on Bush judicial nominations. The email record proves he did.
He has lied several times about his friends and their signed statements that according to him were “under penalty of felony.” which means nothing since it does not exist.
There are dozens of classmates willing to swear that not only did he drink to excess, he was mean and aggressive when he did, and he did it often. And given that his testimony was in that light, I suspect he had a few before he came into the hearing.
He said he was open to any investigation but repeatedly refused to say that there should be an FBI investigation of Ford’s claim.
And there are more lies. I think it was Huff Post that posted an article that I neglected to read about the fact that he lies regularly under oath and has for some time.
Tell me a lie and don’t expect me to believe anything else you say. Tell me this many lies and you need to not only not be a Supreme, you should not be a judge of any kind.
I’m a Dem and the man is lying.
If he lied, the same FBI who colluded against Trump will find out. Let’s wait and see, I’ll stand by there findings. Will you?
No, because the FBI has been constrained with a time limit and the type of investigation they are permitted to do. And all the lies aside, it appears he might be an alcoholic and has threatened a vendetta against Democrats and seems decidedly unsuitable personality-wise to be a judge of any kind. I’m sure there are other dreadful Repub candidates who are better suited, temperamentally to be picked.
And most of the lies I listed are provable without FBI investigating.
Why doesn’t the Senate reject Kavanaugh on grounds of perjury? That, unlike the rape charges, is easily proven from recent public records. Quick, sure, simple, and wouldn’t that be the collegial, face-saving way out?
No, not from a Washington point of view. For perjury, precisely because it is _provable_ and _recent_, has serious professional consequences. Loss of SC seat, and also loss of appellate court seat, possibly disbarment, maybe even criminal charges. Whereas rape, credibly alleged but unproven, won’t disbar him.
So from the DC point of view, what we’re seeing _is_ the face-saving, collegial way out! But the people and DC have differing points of view; distinct systems of value; so this is not only a gender conflict; it is also a class conflict.
ParaDoctor, I don’t disagree with what you are saying, but I do want to point out that proving that Kavanaugh perjured himself is not quick, sure, or simple, and has a good chance of not working either.
There is a high legal bar for perjury. Just because you have lied doesn’t mean you have perjured yourself. For someone to be guilty of perjury, you have to prove that they “willfully lied under oath” and that their lies have direct relevance to the testimony.
It would be much easier to just say that Kavanaugh does not have the temperament (or truthfulness) to be on the Supreme Court, rather than try to prove perjury.
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