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Why Obama’s Birth Certificate Doesn’t Prove Anything


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  1. Mad Hatter wrote:

    Exactly…..

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 8:42 am | Permalink
  2. Sammy wrote:

    The only way “they” could have proven they aren’t racist is if we’d seen a FLOOD of public apologies. But the response has been everything from, “I’m not satisfied with the veracity of the document” (Mike Gallagher show) to “Was Hawaii really ratified as a state?” (new rumor). I used to be a right leaning moderate. I won’t even come within a mile of that group at this point.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 10:53 am | Permalink
  3. Iron Knee wrote:

    That’s a good point, Sammy. Who needs public apologies — I would have been happy with a simple “I’m glad that’s settled”. Instead we get either more questions, or crowing about “forcing” Obama to release his birth certificate.

    I only have one question for these people: why do you hate America so much?

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 10:58 am | Permalink
  4. IK: And their answer would be because this intrusion of African Americanism isn’t “my America”: ie, it’s not the white-washed monocultural myth that they inaccurately associate with their childhoods, as a false memory (of sorts) or nostalgia (that never happened).

    Frankly, having a Black President is “my America,” as would having a woman, or a Hispanic, or a homosexual, or an atheist. Take your pick of the plethora of us that make up America. This America, with its Black President from a multi-religious background who excelled at University, is my America, and for that I am proud.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 11:39 am | Permalink
  5. ebdoug wrote:

    Gosh, I’m old enough to remember that Alaska and Hawaii became states in 1959. Obama could not have even been conceived during that time.

    And we are in trade agreements with Panama right now. Panama is not part of the United States. No where in any left whig talk did I hear this brought up. McCain was not born in the United States, but then he is an all white man from a slave owning family, not a half white man.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
  6. ThatGuy wrote:

    Unfortunately I don’t think this will ever really be settled, many people seem to thrive these days on their ability to ignore reality.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 12:41 pm | Permalink
  7. PatriotSGT wrote:

    Conspiracy theorists are what they are. Like the ones who think it was a government conspiracy to assasinate JFK, or the the government executed 911 or knew it was going to happen and purposely did nothing. Or the famous moon landing that was staged in hollywood. To someone who believes any of those you cannot argue them out of their thinking. You’d have better luck talking to a wall. Same with the birther garbage.

    There are a certain slice of nay sayers who have said “glad thats settled”. There will always be a certain percentage of people that just hate Obama. There will always be a percentage that hates Bush. Thats America and I’m glad that we have the feedom to express that. Try that in Syria, or Iran or China or many other countries and let me know how it worked for you. But because I don’t like someone I am not necessarily a racist, I could be, but that alone does not make me one. If I said “I hate that guy over there, the black one” does not make me a racist. It’s not very nice and may make his friends mad or confused how anyone could not like him, but it doesn’t make me a racist. Now if I said I hated him just because he’s black, then I’m a racist. So i’m sorry I havn’t heard, read or seen that from anyone. If I did, I would have strongly condemned it on the spot, face to face. (and probably needed you guys to bail me out) :)

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
  8. ThatGuy wrote:

    I don’t think anyone is making the argument that ALL of those who subscribe to the birther line of thinking are racists. But with the incredible amount of ignorance it takes to buy into the birther nonsense, I’d say there’s a decent overlap.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
  9. PatriotSGT wrote:

    I know THATGUY, I’m certainly not saying racism doesn’t exist. I am saying that what I am seeing does not seem like racism. If I like Trump (which I don’t)and he was a racist (which I don’t think he is) it certainly does not make me a racist. IMO racism is a serious charge and should not be leveled at anyone because they are “close enough” to being a racist.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
  10. Sammy wrote:

    I would NOT have been satisfied with “I’m glad that’s settled.” It should not have NEEDED to be settled. This is the only president ever to have to face this question, and then face it again after TWICE releasing his birth certificate. But it wasn’t the RIGHT birth certificate. I don’t have a “long form” birth certificate. I have A birth certificate. Hell, until this bullshit issue arose, I’d never even heard of a “long form” birth certificate.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Permalink
  11. Sammy wrote:

    Patriot, why is only the black man with the “foreign” sounding name being asked this, if not for racism? Why wasn’t McCain, the white man who actually WAS born on foreign soil NOT asked the question?

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Permalink
  12. Iron Knee wrote:

    PSgt, the problem is that hardly anyone thinks of themselves as racist. And even if they do, they have learned to not talk about it publicly. So how are you going to tell if someone is racist except by their actions?

    I will take it one step further. Even if Trump himself is not racist (does not discriminate against people based on their race), if he does something that is purposely designed to appeal to people who are racist, then in my book that makes Trump racist.

    Finally, I’d like to add that racism is not (if you will pardon the pun) always a black and white issue. There are shades of gray. Virtually everyone (including me) has some racist tendencies. We can’t help it, it is built into our DNA. We are programmed to like people who look like us. So one could make a strong claim that appealing to this instinctive racist attitude in everyone is the worst kind of racism. And with his birther nonsense and now questioning Obama’s school records, Trump is definitely being racist.

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 6:16 pm | Permalink
  13. Iron Knee wrote:

    This is a very funny read: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/apr/28/trumps-birther-shtick-had-be-leftist-plot/

    Friday, April 29, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Permalink
  14. PatriotSGT wrote:

    Now that was funny, and almost believable. I also agree on your assesment of racism. I’m not trying to defend Trump, I could care less about that idiot. I just don’t like the race card played because people get pissed or mad when Obama is attacked by n idiot. He does not need to be bothered by it, or answer it, or acknowledge it. If the media would stop shoving microphones up Trumps bu%@ then no one would care. Some advice for our President, stay our of the gutter and leave that to others. This is one area he could take a lesson from 43, just don’t feed into the frenzy. All the nut jobs wanted Bush to comment about Obama, they wanted him to defend himself, but he would not. So it just went away. Do that Mr. President, your not a politician any more you are the leader of the free world.

    Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 8:27 pm | Permalink
  15. Iron Knee wrote:

    I actually agree with you, but I do want to point out that when Obama tried to be above all that, the media (and the left) attacked him for not defending himself. He can’t win.

    Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
  16. Iron Knee wrote:

    More evidence that Trump is a racist. Or at the very least an asshole. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/4/29/13258/9502

    Sunday, May 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink
  17. PatriotSGT wrote:

    IK I don’t know any single word expletives that would be worse then asshole, but if I did, I would certainly not hesitate to affix them to that idiot. Now I could come up with a few run on sentences describing said lowlife.

    Monday, May 2, 2011 at 6:53 am | Permalink
  18. Iron Knee wrote:

    You don’t have to, there are plenty of other people who have evidence that Trump is racist, and an asshole:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/-those-are-characteristics-of-a-tyrant/238089/

    Monday, May 2, 2011 at 7:38 pm | Permalink
  19. BTN wrote:

    Asshole sound about right to me. They should sue TRUMP!

    That case also illustrates what some people just don’t get: rapist deserve to get their testicles removed (with a spoon!), but our justice system isn’t exactly 100% correct. Too many rich people get off (cough – Wall Street – cough), and too many poor get railroaded through.

    Tell me: if someone put you in prison at 14, and let you out at 28, what do you think is a fair settlement? Keep in mind, I doubt that 14-yo convicted rapists have an easy time in prison…

    Sunday, May 8, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Permalink